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Re: Knight and Public Domain




On May 15, 2008, at 11:39 AM, Mike Taylor wrote:

Bob Tess writes:
There will be a revolution - the day the Rockefellers, Gates,
and other billionaires of the world are only allowed to pass
their property on to their descendants for 75 years after their
death and then it gets distributed to the public - then artists'
property rights will finally be equal.

I'm sure you don't need to have the pointed out, but just for avoidance of doubt: the two situations are not at all analogous, because if I copy the AMNH's painting, they still have the painting, whereas if I take Bill Gates's car, he doesn't have it any more.

Artists and their descendants derive income from licensing. When copyright becomes public domain - that income is as gone as Bill Gates' car.

Artists and their families gain an income from the artists' work during the artists' life. That money, life other possessions obtained in other ways, will have been inherited by his family when he died. Why anyone should _still_ be gaining an income from Knight's work 55 years after his death, and how that is supposed to stimulte Knight to do more work, is beyond me. And, by the way, you can bet that whoever is getting that money, it's not his family.
You are quite wrong, his granddaughter, Rhoda Knight Kalt receives income from the reuse of his images.

Of course, it doesn't immediately follow from this that I should be
allowed to copy whatever I want; but it does show that any analogy
with the law of physical property is at best uninformative and usually
actively misleading.

I vehemently disagree. Copyright is a property right and is defended as such in court.

That doesn't change the fact that any attempt to analogise "intellectual property" with physical property is fatally compromised by the fact that IP can be replicated at effectively-zero cost. As soon as you have a technology that allows you to do the same to my car, you're welcome to copy that, too.

Again: I am not saying here that there is no case to be made for IP.
I am saying that there is no case by made for it _by analogy with
physical property_.  That analogy is just plain broken.  It doesn't
work.
The courts disagree.

From [artists'] point of view, we are not altruistically
benefitting society, we are hoping to pay the mortgage and leave
something to our children.  No one would work in the arts, or the
sciences for that matter if it was not possible to make a living -
just because it benefitted society.  In particular, paleoartists
never get paid what would be considered a decent wage for the
original work.  We count on licensing images.

Sure -- which is _exactly_ why the copyright bargain was made: to give artists, authors and others a financial incentive to work. As far as I know, no-one on this list is arguing that there should be _no_ copyright. But current copyright law, and especially the insanely long terms, have no relation to that bargain as originally struck.

And by the way, in case you think I am blue-skying here, I make my
living writing computer programs, which are also subject to copyright.
So far as I can see, a term of ten or maybe twenty years, tops, would
be plenty enough to motivate me to produce.  Leaving my stuff under
copyright for seventy years after my death is wholly irrelevant to the
bargain.  All it achieves is to retard the use of my work.
Your work will be out of use in 20 years. Art is more enduring. That is why it needs protected.

Finally, it doesn't help that so tiny a proprtion of copyright are held by actual creators. Instead, it is routinely corporations (publishers, media companies) that profit from them. Not good.

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