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Re: [dinosaur] Keresdrakon, new pterosaur from Cretaceous of Brazil (free pdf)
I take your point, and the inspiration behind the name _Keresdrakon_
is impressive. However, I'm wary of names that look like two (or
more) nouns stuck together without any attempt to link them. The
theropod name _Notatesseraeraptor_ (nota + tesserae + raptor =
feature + mosaic stones + robber) is a case in point, and one of the
worst examples in recent memory: the name fails to convey the intended
meaning ('predator with an intermixture/mosaic of features'). Not
that I want to directly compare _Keresdrakon_ with a nomenclatural
disaster like _Notatesseraeraptor_. I also understand why
"Kerodrakon" or "Kerdrakon" might fall afoul in Brazilian Portuguese,
in light of the local meaning of kero/ker. :-)
Could _Keresdrakon_ have been "Keressidrakon" or something similar,
rather than simply Keres + drakon? Etymologically speaking, does
_Keresdrakon_ express the intended meaning? (Not a criticism, I'm
genuinely curious - Ben, Borja...?)
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 8:53 PM Borja Holgado <bortx.holgado@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ben, thank you quick and fine clarification.
>
> As co-author of the paper, we intentionally used the plural and the
> translation ought to be "the dragon of the Keres". As a funny fact, "Kero" or
> "Ker" are homophones of "I want" or "you/he want(s)" in Brazilian Portuguese
> (respectively)... and I am not sure if Brazilian people would like this
> dragon for breakfast or dinner!
>
> Cheers,
> Borja
>
> Missatge de Ben Creisler <bcreisler@gmail.com> del dia dc., 21 dâag. 2019 a
> les 2:58:
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>>
>> Neo-Latin is what usage makes it, so a syntactic compound (rather than a
>> stem-based compound) with a plural and a singular might be OK. In the
>> singular, Ker meant the goddess of death, so using the stem ker- or kero-
>> might not convey the idea intended with the plural Keres.
>>
>> Ker goddess of death
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.perseus.tufts.edu_hopper_text-3Fdoc-3DPerseus-253Atext-253A1999.04.0057-253Aentry-253D-2Akh-252Fr&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=Bun60-aZnVV3zgq7CNDix-6JzA00F_MqiAWqllccvjI&s=mFidexcLxqwzT6bZgT04ZKrzbSBwu1dNO8TaFUZPlps&e=
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>>
>> Greek had a compound:
>> keressiphoretos "urged on by the Keres"
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.perseus.tufts.edu_hopper_text-3Fdoc-3DPerseus-253Atext-253A1999.04.0058-253Aentry-253D-2Akhressifo-252Frhtos&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=Bun60-aZnVV3zgq7CNDix-6JzA00F_MqiAWqllccvjI&s=YHghO-z4Vbyf5S6Rp8MbR1sn54swjx_9QF0GxefwB84&e=
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>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lsj.gr_wiki_-25CE-25BA-25CE-25B7-25CF-2581-25CE-25B5-25CF-2583-25CF-2583-25CE-25B9-25CF-2586-25CF-258C-25CF-2581-25CE-25B7-25CF-2584-25CE-25BF-25CF-2582&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=Bun60-aZnVV3zgq7CNDix-6JzA00F_MqiAWqllccvjI&s=N09sHBWProazstmoVACrTTiMMOCE4UmuDEM9FT7UPwY&e=
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>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:18 PM Tim Williams <tijawi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The name (_Keresdrakon_) is odd. It's named after the Keres, the
>>> "deathspirits who personified violent death in Greek mythology and are
>>> associated to doom and/or plunder". It's a great idea to name a pterosaur
>>> after the Keres - nothing wrong here. However, "Keres" is plural. The
>>> singular is "Ker". "_Keresdrakon_" looks very 'cut-and-paste'. The name
>>> would perhaps be more appropriately rendered as "Kerdrakon" or
>>> "Kerodrakon". (Ben - any comments?)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 1:47 AM Ben Creisler <bcreisler@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ben Creisler
>>>> bcreisler@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> A new paper in open access:
>>>>
>>>> Free pdf:
>>>>
>>>> Keresdrakon vilsoni gen. et sp. nov.
>>>>
>>>> Alexander W.A. Kellner, Luiz C. WeinschÃtz, Borja Holgado, Renan A.M.
>>>> Bantim & Juliana M. SayÃo (2019)
>>>> A new toothless pterosaur (Pterodactyloidea) from Southern Brazil with
>>>> insights into the paleoecology of a Cretaceous desert.
>>>> Anais da Academia Brasileira de CiÃncias 91, suppl.2: e20190768
>>>> doi:
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__dx.doi.org_10.1590_0001-2D3765201920190768&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=Bun60-aZnVV3zgq7CNDix-6JzA00F_MqiAWqllccvjI&s=m3i255MnFpriQn06WksgSk5QJEyi-e0K-ink8dkXUFE&e=
>>>> .
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.scielo.br_scielo.php-3Fscript-3Dsci-5Fabstract-26pid-3DS0001-2D37652019000400517-26lng-3Den-26nrm-3Diso-26tlng-3Den&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=Bun60-aZnVV3zgq7CNDix-6JzA00F_MqiAWqllccvjI&s=ostglfzz-DhE1zR4zudmI4VlMIo4vc_djENCzXaAbEA&e=
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Free pdf:
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.scielo.br_pdf_aabc_v91s2_0001-2D3765-2Daabc-2D91-2Ds2-2De20190768.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=Bun60-aZnVV3zgq7CNDix-6JzA00F_MqiAWqllccvjI&s=ml6wIdrISjKrvQRTyUEcNCEnvDDZzZ6v0982TFCTCxI&e=
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The first pterosaur bone bed from Brazil was reported in 2014 at the
>>>> outskirts of the town Cruzeiro do Oeste, Paranà State, in the Southern
>>>> region of the country. Here named 'cemitÃrio dos pterossauros' site,
>>>> these outcrops were referred to the Goio-Erà Formation
>>>> (Turonian-Campanian) of the Caiuà Group (Bauru Basin) and revealed the
>>>> presence of hundreds of isolated or partially articulated elements of the
>>>> tapejarine pterosaur Caiuajara and fewer amounts of a theropod dinosaur.
>>>> Here we present a new tapejaromorph flying reptile from this site,
>>>> Keresdrakon vilsoni gen. et sp. nov., which shows a unique blunt ridge on
>>>> the dorsal surface of the posterior end of the dentary. Morphological and
>>>> osteohistological features indicate that all recovered individuals
>>>> represent late juveniles or sub-adults. This site shows the first direct
>>>> evidence of sympatry in Pterosauria. The two distinct flying reptiles
>>>> coexisted with a theropod dinosaur, providing a rare glimpse of a
>>>> paleobiological community from a Cretaceous desert.
>>>>
>>>> ====
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> News (in Portuguese):
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__g1.globo.com_sc_santa-2Dcatarina_noticia_2019_08_20_pesquisadores-2Dde-2Dsc-2Ddescobrem-2Dnova-2Despecie-2Dde-2Dpterossauro-2De-2Dbatizam-2Dde-2Ddragao-2Despirito-2Dda-2Dmorte.ghtml&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=Bun60-aZnVV3zgq7CNDix-6JzA00F_MqiAWqllccvjI&s=Tx0MvRh9fZJEvF5uqYFxMirSKnxIRpZsvQCZMQ7fa9A&e=
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>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nsctotal.com.br_noticias_pesquisadores-2Dde-2Dsc-2Dapresentam-2Dnova-2Despecie-2Dfossil-2Dde-2Dpterossauro-2Dreptil-2Dvoador-2Dde-2D80&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=Bun60-aZnVV3zgq7CNDix-6JzA00F_MqiAWqllccvjI&s=10xVOP-5oLqszdKCrRTYQTxgdpRuPYRfqmZOJ7oetIU&e=
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> Borja Holgado, PhD student
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> Department of Geology and Paleontology
> Museu Nacional/Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro (UFRJ)
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