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Re: Haha, even more questions



Better late than never.....
 
Rutger Jansma wrote-
 
> 1) Ginnareemimus is reported to have an almost "arctometatarsalian" pes, like in Sinovenator, > but how does this relate in terms of their relationships, are they closely related or does this
> mean the arctometatarsalian pes can be achieved by convergence leaving it as practicly
> meaningless in phyletics?
 
And Tom Holtz replied-
 
>> A) The Thai ornithomimosaur actually has a metatarsus which is closer in form to
>> ornithomimids proper than is GarudimimusSinovenator's pes, on the other hand, is non-
>> arctometatarsalian.
 
I thought Garudimimus' metatarsus was fully arctometatarsal, as much as Elmisaurus or Ornithomimus velox at least.  Isn't it the one illustrated as Oviraptor in Currie and Russell (1988)?
Actually, "Ginnareemimus'" and Sinovenator's metatarsi look amazingly similar.  Sinovenator is a bit less arctometatarsal, with mtIV more robust, mtII more reduced distally, mtII and IV shorter, and mtIII having a ginglymoid distal articulation.  In proximal view, they are not too similar.  Not to try to resurrect Bullatosauria or anything, but maybe "Ginnareemimus" is closer to basal troodontids than ornithomimosaurs.  I've still seen no evidence it is an ornithomimosaur after all.  What do others think?  I can send a scan of "Ginnareemimus'" metatarsus if needed.
 
> 3) Again on Archaeornithomimus and the supposed synonymy to Garudamimus, what are the > shared  characteristics between the two apart from shape of the pubis and are there any
> differences between  them? The femur for instance is practicly straight in A. while it is curved > in G. and the crest on the tibia (damn' names...) on it's proximal end is less pronounced in A. > compared to G., but there are more right? 
 
They're hard to compare.
Archaeornithomimus has- shorter dorsal neural spines; shorter caudal neural spines; wider pubic peduncle on ilium; lower ilium; longer postacetabular process; more massive pubic boot; longer posterior pubic boot; less prominent cnemial crest; metatarsals III and II curved medially; narrower metatarsal III; metatarsal II longer than IV; straighter pedal unguals.
Further comparison is difficult because they are both incompletely known and Garudimimus is poorly described.
 
> 4) Is Confuciusornis dui still considered a valid species of Confuciusornis?
 
C. dui can be distinguished from illustrated C. sanctus specimens by- narrow and tapered ascending process of maxilla without maxillary fenestra; maxilla takes up most of ventral orbital margin; low rounded dorsal jugal process?; jugal forms ventral margin of laterotemporal fenestra?; mandible without anteroventral expansion; posterodorsal dentary process extends posteriorly over most of mandibular fenestra; posterodorsal dentary process taller than posteroventral process; no ventral surangular process invading mandibular fenestra; reduced surangular foramen; sternum with anterior notch; sternal ribs attach to lateral processes; sternal lateral processes not bifurcate; four sternal ribs; sternal ribs grow posteriorly shorter; last two sternal ribs markedly expanded distally; metacarpal I tapers proximally; manual unguals I and III subequal in size.  Characters with a question mark after tham are only verifiable in one figured specimen of C. sanctus.  They seem quite distinctive to me, and I see no reason to doubt the validity of C. dui.  At least six of the characters are absent in C. sanctus specimen GMV-2131, which is smaller than C. dui, so ontogeny is ruled out.  The latter specimen also has tail streamers, so sexual variation is similarily ruled out.
> 9) In DA HP Greg Paul states that Eoenanthiornis could be a juvenile or subadult genus, is
> this correct?
 
Perhaps.  The sternum is a nice intermediate between juvenile Liaoxiornis and adult enantiornithines.  However, Eoenantiornis is about equal or larger in size than other Yixian enantiornithines, so it would have to be an unknown larger taxon.  Also, the craniofemoral ratio is lower than Sinornis and most other Yixian enantiornithines, very different from the situation in Liaoxiornis.  There is no indication of unfused structures that should be fused.  I don't think the orbit is unusually large and see no indication for a "poorly formed hand".  But I've not seen a good photo of the specimen.
 
Mickey Mortimer