RE: Segnosaurs ejected from AVES

["Tracy L. Ford" <dino.hunter@home.com>]

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-dinosaur@usc.edu [mailto:owner-dinosaur@usc.edu]On Behalf Of
Williams, Tim
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 12:42 PM
To: 'Tracy L. Ford '
Cc: 'dinosaur@usc.edu'
Subject: RE: Segnosaurs ejected from AVES

Tracy Ford wrote (in reply to my post):

> >This should read:

> >As for "Segnosaurs ejected from AVES"... I have a vision of a
> >_Beipiaosaurus_ banging on a door that says AVES - NO UNAUTHORIZED
> >ENTRY, screaming "Let me in!  Let me in!  I promise this is a 'real'
> >semilunate carpal!  Just give me a chance!"


>Cool, so you got to look at the actual specimen and are going to have it
>written in a per reviewed publication.


Once again your Parthian shot has come off half-cocked.  My response was to
Ken's apomorphy-based definition of Aves, which excludes _Beipiaosaurus_ and
other segnosaurs because (under his interpretation) they do not have a
"true" semilunate carpal.  It has nothing to do with what your response
implies (which I'm not exactly sure of anyway).<<

Yes, how crazy of me to think that the two of you (actually more) actually
look at the specimens. I really must have my head examined. Really, I was
thinking along the lines that since you said 'I promise this is a 'real'
semilunate carpal!  Just give me a chance!", ment, and I know this is
totally nuts of me, that you SAW the specimen and can say without a doubt
that
Beipiaosaurus really really does have a true semilunate carpal, but hey,
that's just crazy me. You, know, how paleontology USE to be done, look at
the specimen...

You do realize that the two of you (and more) will just keep going back and
forth and nothing will get resolved.

By the way, anyone see the DML lately? I can't find it. I think I've
accidentally gotten the cladagram list run by Ken, Tim, David and Mickey
(and others). I personally wouldn't mind if they posted to themselves off
the list, but hey, that's just crazy me.


Tracy L. Ford
P. O. Box 1171
Poway Ca  92074