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Re: Re theropod scavenging



of teeth barrelling into your prey will do most of the work ;-)
[...] Among living species, the Komodo Dragon is the best analogue and komodoensis will track wounded (and poisoned prey) for considerable periods until blood loss and septicemia overcome it. Of course, this is only a viable tactic for top predators,
And for cold-blooded ones at that. Said lizard at least sometimes follows its prey for 15 days. An endotherm would get pretty hungry and impatient in that time.
 
Good point - and often such prey is lost to conspecifics 
The same reasoning has been applied to ziphodont and supposedly terrestrial crocodiles.
Why "supposedly"?
 
I believe that the general acceptance of a terrestrial lifestyle for ziphodont crocodilians is, at best, the product of very tenuous extrapolation, particularly with respect to the supposedly land-lubbing plethora of Australian mekosuchines. The only ziphodont croc for which post-cranials have been described is the Early Tertiary Pristichampus. A terrestrial habitus was deduced for this taxon largely based on the presence of 'hooves'. I am told by a trusted source who has recently observed the specimen in question, that these were most likely a preservational artefact. But, even if this taxon was terrestrial - its relationship to Australian species is not well-understood. Thus, the argument for a terrestrial habitus in the crocs from Oz reduces to one based on cranial and dental evidence that goes something like this..... mekosuchines had laterally compressed, ziphodont teeth, a deep skull and laterally directed orbits - theropods had similar skull and tooth morphology.... theropods were terrestrial... therefor so were mekosuchines.
 
I find this reasoning wholly unsatisfactory. The cranial and tooth morphology of mekosuchines may tell us a lot about how they killed their prey - but next to nothing about where they killed it. As pointed out previously, the same feeding tactic is used by some sharks. When considered alongside a number of other relevant facts, the argument for 'terrestriality' becomes very strained. These include the fact that almost all mekosuchines have been found in association with aquatic species (the few that haven't were within a few kilometres of a major watercourse); a very high level of endemism among contemporaneous Miocene species identified by Paul Willis; and the fact that some living, but far from fully terrestrial crocs (e.g., Paleosuchus) actually exhibit laterally flattened teeth, deep skulls and laterally directed orbits and the argument that mekosuchines were terrestrial becomes an eminently debatable one. This is not to say that it is incorrect - just that we need more data before we tie the hypothesis down as fact. I've just had a MS accepted that addresses these issues if your interested - certainly any comment or criticism is more than welcome.
 
S. Wroe
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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: Re theropod scavenging

 
One of the most evocative descriptions of the tyrannosaurids I've ever
come across dubbed them "land sharks", and it's quite easy to imagine
these creatures accelerating through a clearing and crashing into the
side of a grazing dino with their head down & mouth wide.
This is what Allosaurus did, according to the latest biomechanics study, but Tyrannosaurus has a pretty different skull.
The arms appear to have been robust enough to still serve some
function, but I can't imagine them being used in predation - 7 tonnes
maybe just 4
of teeth barrelling into your prey will do most of the work ;-)
[...] Among living species, the Komodo Dragon is the best analogue and komodoensis will track wounded (and poisoned prey) for considerable periods until blood loss and septicemia overcome it. Of course, this is only a viable tactic for top predators,
And for cold-blooded ones at that. Said lizard at least sometimes follows its prey for 15 days. An endotherm would get pretty hungry and impatient in that time.
The same reasoning has been applied to ziphodont and supposedly terrestrial crocodiles.
Why "supposedly"?