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R: theropod scavenging



Title: Re: theropod scavenging
Nick Longrich wrote:
 
 I doubt that an excellent sense of smell necessarily correlates with scavenging as Horner implies (but hasn't to my knowledge demonstrated), but the question then becomes: OK, well, what DOES a good sense of smell correlate with, if anything? Clearly, tyrannosaurids were doing something that dromaeosaurids, troodontids, and ornithomimids were not; I suspect those gargantuan olfactory bulbs didn't appear for no reason at all... I used to be sort of skeptical of the contention that the development was that spectacular in a tyrannosaurid, or figured it might be a scaling thing, but I've seen a small tyrannosaur frontal (comparable in size to Saurornitholestes, Dromaeosaurus, Troodon, and ornithomimid frontals) at the RTMP and the impression for the olfactory bulb suggests something several times as large in terms of volume as in the other theropods. So did they track prey? Use it for nocturnal attacks? (i'm sort of partial to the idea of nocturnal tyrannosaurs- hunting at night might help explain how on earth a T. rex could get within a half mile of a duckbill without getting seen).

Nick L.
 
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 I think it's reasonable to assume that, as in all animals with well developed smell senses, being able to detect a possible mate or potentially "aggressive" members of the same gender  was important in tyrannosaurids; I don't know what are the population densities suspected for big theropods ( i imagine it would depend on a lot of things: enviroment,preys density, metabolism etc..), but in case they (the tyrannosaurs) turned out to have been relatively "rare" (low n° of individuals/ territory are ratios), the importance of having a good sense of smell should be considered relevant. I mean , being able to "detect" a very distant male/female (depending on who looked for  who[m]..) would have been essential as well as being able to recognize the extension (or at least the edges) of another male's(or female's) territory before getting dangerously close to the owner.
This is true for all animals, ok, but the chances of getting killed or badly injured after meeting a 4 tonned "fellow" tyrant  would have been quite a lot.
 
Behavioral mechanisms considered to have been selected as a consequence of the fact that avoiding the possibility of being killed in a male-to-male confrontation(or female-to-female) is surely a good thing, have been noted, if I'm not mistaken. Ritual confrontations seem a good example(perhaps the only one?).
 
In this case, being able to detect a older,bigger,tougher male/female's territory (or even the same animal) before entering it (or meeting the "owner") would have been a highly selected ability, wouldn't have it?
 
Even only the ability to estimate the degree of maturity of another animal  just by its smell(while keeping far away) would  be (and actually is, in  extant animals, isn't it?) useful;
mature female--->"ok!" 
 older(probably tougher)individual of the same gender------>"no way" and so on.
(I'm not trying to anthropomorfize tyrants' behaviour..just semplifying ).
 
 
Anyway, just a couple of thoughts(sorry if already discussed in the same terms).
 
Filippo Calzolari
 
ps: it may probably be of some utility, to test the testability(sorry..:) of this "hypotesis", to know something about the dimensions of the same olfactory structures in other big theropods such as the various charcarodontosaurini , if they turned out to have behaved similarly to tyrants....now, the problem is that there's not a well-defined idea of how the latter behaved, right?