Re: Coelurosaur analysis update

["T. Michael Keesey" <mightyodinn@yahoo.com>]

--- Tim Williams <twilliams_alpha@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mickey Mortimer
> 
> >- non-maniraptoriform enigmosaurs and deinonychosaurs.
> 
> And thus, if I've understood you correctly, Maniraptoriformes would become a 
> clade *within* Maniraptora.

That would be impossible using the stem-based definition of _Maniraptora_
(everything closer to modern birds than to _Ornithomimus_) and the node-based
definition of _Maniraptoriformes_ (modern birds + _Ornithomimus_).

Rather, in the phylogeny presented by Mickey, dromaeosaurids and "enigmosaurs"
would not be maniraptors(!) Oddly enough, though, they would be
eumaniraptors.... (_Deinonychus_ + modern birds)
 
> I'm not aware if Sauriurae (originally Saururae) or Archaeopterygiformes or 
> Archaeornithes have actually received a phylogenetic definition.  Any of 
> these names is available should the "long-tailed birds" (or at least some of 
> them, including _Archaeopteryx_) be found to form their own clade within 
> Aves.  I believe all these names (and "Ornithopappi") were proposed solely 
> for the reception of _Archaeopteryx_ (including _Archaeornis_, and other 
> assorted synonyms).

"Ornithopappi"? What's that?

Leave us not forget Archaeopterygoidea, Archaeopterygidae, Archaeopteryginae,
Archaeopterygini, and Archaeopterygina. :) Ah, mandatory ranks....

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