Re: (not dinosaur-related, so sue me)

["Cliff Green" <dinonaut@emerytelcom.net>]

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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:42 PM
Subject: RE: (not dinosaur-related, so sue me)


> In a message dated Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:21:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
"Michael de Sosa" <ofsosa@uclink4.berkeley.edu> writes:
>
> > Those people celebrating in Palestine... they've watched their families
> > killed, homes destroyed, land stolen... for YEARS.
>
> Stolen? No. Try bought. The Arabs couldn't stand the fact that INFERIOR
JEWS could have rights and tried to ban Jewish immigration before and during
the Holocaust.
>
> Prior to 1948, all the land owned by Jews was bought and paid for. Arabs
were killed for selling to Jews. Sort of like if they had sold land to
blacks in the old Southern US.
>
> >From 1948 to 1977, no Arab government would talk to Israel. NOT ONE. The
West Bank and Gaza were in ARAB hands, not Jewish until 1967, and Israel was
going to be attacked in a few days after they launched their preemtive
strike.The Israeli government offered everything but Jeruselem back right
then and there, but the Arabs demanded they KEEP it until the Jewish people
did the right thing and committed suicide.
>
> Begin offered Sadat the Gaza strip in 1978. Sadat could have taken it and
given it to Arafat, but no. He gave it to Israel for another sixteen years.
Jordan refused to let Israel give up control of the west bank until 1993.
>
> I have refrences which show the Arafat's predicessor as head of the PLO
crowing about the upcoming genocide in early June of 1967. The Palestinians
and their arab brothers WANTED it that way.The Israeli occupation lasted as
long as it did due to Arab demand.
>
> > this to them are supported militarily, financially, and politically by
THE....
>
> > UNITED STATES. And so, SOME (not all, by far) of them celebrate when
> > American civilians are killed in retaliation.
> >
> > Now, you are talking about how good you'd feel if we killed a bunch of
Arab
> > civilians in retaliation for this attack.
> >
> > What's the difference between you and them?
>
> Well, we don't WANT to do it. They do.
>
> >
> > I DO NOT, by any means, condone these attacks. I have been feeling sick
all
> > day. ANYONE who could celebrate this atrocity is either very misguided,
> > brainwashed, or just plain sick.
> >
>
> Brainwashed. The Palestinian media celebrates hatred 24 hours a day, from
evening chat shows to puppet shows for the kiddies. The Palestinian
Authority still wants genocide.
>
> > But I just think you oughta look at yourself, acting the same way as the
> > people you're condemning in a similar situation.
> >
> > Are they the only sick ones?
> >
> > - Mike de Sosa
> > (UC Berkeley... go figure)
> >
>
> BTW,what do you suggest we do? Just sit there and apologize to Osama bin
Ladin for helping save Kuait?
>
> We have to avenge the up to 40,000 dead. I say demolish the Kaaba.
>
> eric l.
Eric, mike and list,

    I was thinking of sending out a written history lesson to young Mr.De
Sosa, but Ericdid much better, and without the insults that I wanted to ad.
    I feel as most people do, that most islamic people are not responsible
for these atrocities. Unfortunately, Some Islamic goverments teach hatred
and intollerance, and are responsible for this outrage.
     I'm quite sure that Isreal didn't want the three wars, and countless
skirmishes they have been forced to wage against it's hostile neighbors.
They were not given the peace option, and were not the aggressors.
    Today, Isreal has taken a national day of mourning. They understand that
these acts of violence were in retaliation for the US's unwaivering alliance
with  them. Freedom has always been payed for with blood.
    Mr. De Sosa, do yourself and the rest of us a huge favor and take
advantage of that Berkley education. Your raw ignorance on current world
history is mind boggling.

Cliff Green