In a message dated 1/30/01 2:26:27 AM, hot__male60@hotmail.com writes: << Besides, Sinosauropteryx already shows very primitive "feathers" (they look more like hairs to me), so i'd bet true feathers show up later on. >> Sinosauropteryx is millions of years after Archeopteryx, therefore, true feathers show up well before. eric l.