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Re: Feduccia's delusion



Feduccia's work is not unscientific.  His book on the origins of birds is of cours,e not a standard scientific work.  His real objection to saying BAD things is that BAD things are based on the assumption that certain traits are homologous.  He has concluded thru non cladistic means, by means of "expertise" that the proposed synapomorphies are actaully homoplasius.  Forget about feduccia attacking BAD ideas, he is at base attacking using the phylogenetic system itself.  He attacks cladistics by saying that cladistics gives BAD, while his own studies (using cladistics and other methods, but whith the overiding emphasis on other methods) have given us the BAND.  The arguement against fedduccia is often that the synapomorphies yeild BAD.  This of course is neither an arguement against the BAND nor is it a response to the BAND.  To do that you need to argue that the supporting synapomorphies are in fact synapomorphies, or agrue that the explantions given for homoplasy are wrong. 
     Having said that, the death blow to Feduccia is the discovery of uneqivocal feathers on unequivocal theropods.  Feduccia cant argue that Caudipteryx is on HIS  proposed bird line, nor can he argue that Caudipteryx and the like are not on THE bird line, (or some branch there off ofthese lines to qualify the statement).  Things like Caudipteryx dont need detailed cladistic analysis to demonstrate that they are theropods and that they are somewhere on the bird line or a branch off of it.  They quite obviously are.  Furthermore, something like archaeopteryx was a problem, becuase it is so close to the bird line that it is blurry as to whether or not it is a theropd dinosaur.  But caudipteryx seems to be more theropod like, but still obviously having to do with bird evolution.  The only way to support the BAND now is to say that dinosaurs and birds share a commyn ancestor that is neither dinosaur nor bird, and that the theropod line retains the primitive trait of posessing, amoung other things, feathers, while sauropods lost it, and the ornithischians lost it also.  In other words (look, its actually written out!!)  the shared traits between theropods and birds are synplesieomorphies (which would have to be lost in the stem ornithischian and also a different set of characters would have to be lost in sauropodomorpha)  I think it is not possible to argue that feathers evolved twice.  Anyway, regardless of congruence of the semilunate carpal, or underwhat selective pressures feathers arose, or the origin of flight for that matter, feathers CANT be congruent, and they cant be shut off for a while (phylogentically) and then switched back on.....at least i dotn think they can be!?
 
~R.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Feduccia's delusion

> Someone please tell me I'm not the only person on
> the DML who feels
> uncomfortable with this sort of personal attack?  I
> freely admit that

There is no personal attack here. I have no personal
knowledge of Feduccia or his followers to have any
personal grudge against them.

I clearly get the feeling that Feduccia or people like
him are being unnecessarily highlighted by being given
publishing space in these widely read magazines. Some
of the work he published, example the developmental
studies with Burke, are definitely worth publishing of
their own merit in high places. One may argue this was
mainly Burke's work as she showed similar skills in
some great studies on vertebral column development
before. Also some other work of his like the 1977
paper: "Hypothetical stages in the evolution of modern
ducks and flamingos" in JTB while basically flawed
were at least capable of stimulating scientific
hypothesis testing. So the issue is not an attack on
Feduccia because he is that- had he been D1ck or Harry
he would have deserved the same. The simple fact
remains that he does not seem to understand how
science work. You gather data-> build a model to
explain the data-> try to replace that model with a
better model so on. Feduccia instead seems to stick to
a model built with little data, without really
successfully countering all the falsifications being
heaped on it.
cheers
_EA

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