Re: Paedomorphosis ( Re: BARYONYX' CLAWS )

[tlford@ix.netcom.com]

Matthew Troutman wrote:
> 
> << Underwater swimming is basically
> > the same as flight. It has the same motions, kinematics and uses the
> > same muscles, flight apparatus, and control as flapping, aerial
> flight.
> 
> <<So, as Tracy Ford suggested to me earlier today, would you say that
> flying fish swim through the air?>>
> 
>  Flying fish do not "fly". They just glide through the air. They do
> possess physiological advancements over other "fish" ( such as
> tachyaerobic endothermy ) and they have a high endurance/strength
> musclature that allows them to to reach high enough speeds that allow
> them to jump out of the water to glide quite far ( up to 200 m) .  As
> for flapping flight, they do not have it. Their elongate fins are only
> for gliding. So this comparison is false.
> 

Now just wait a goaldarn minute here, in an earlier post you said..
     Why would I find this noteworthy? Yes, the avian wing is very 
adaptable to underwater swimming. Why? Underwater swimming is basically 
the same as flight. It has the same motions, kinematics and uses the 
same muscles, flight apparatus, and control as flapping, aerial flight. 
Compare this to theropods. <<

Now why is it flying fish don't 'swim' through the air (WHICH IS WHAT
GEORGE SAID). They use the same muscles 'swimming' through the air as
apposed to swimming in water. I take it you've never seen a flying fish
'fly'. I've seen some while takeing the boat to Catalina island. What
Flying Fish do is get enough speed to break out of the water, i.e. to
the surface, then then use the bottom of their caudal fin, in a swimming
motion, back and forth, to keep up the 'speed' to swim in the air. 

Yes some times they do get high enough to 'air swim' into a boat, but
for the most part they 'kick' with their tail on the surface of the
water (which they use when they are under water) so yes USING YOUR
terminalogy i. e. using the same motion, muscles etc., they SWIM in the
AIR.

Don't try and EVEN say I'm misunderstanding you. 

Tracy



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