In another argument with George, and I resist the temptation to start name- calling myself, Jon Wagner says: > {* Not vexing at all, really. I suppose next you'll argue that dogs > {* have dewclaws so that they too can pesh in trees? Whoops. Dogs and all other carnivorans have arboreal ancestors. Nice one Jon, you're providing George with more ammo;) "Archelon!" DARREN NAISH