The more I thought about this debate the more I decided my favorite living fossil was my grandfather who died at age 100. Otherwise the term is an oxymoron, no? Steve Grenard grenard@herpmed.com Snail/Mail: 36 Hamilton St. Staten Island NY 10304 Voice: 718-447-6144 HerpMed's HomePage: http://www.xmission.com:80/~gastown/herpmed/